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Old 15-01-2012, 02:47 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Hi Dave,

Always difficult to see from a picture but Ill have a go

I don't think the fish has a frame for a big fish and being male its always hard to get them as big as the girls.

For me there is not enough white (shiroji) on the fish and it has a lot of Beni with no to much Sumi up the front part of the fish and at the moment there is no sign that any is going to come.

I cant see the quality of the skin from the picture or how good the Beni and Sumi are but we also have to remember this was not an expensive koi so in such we should remember that at the end of the day it is was it is and not a bad fish at all.

How will it do over a few years is another thing which is always hard to do but i think Billy the fish will continue to grow not massive but will fill out and be a good fish
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Old 15-01-2012, 06:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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a "goof fish" eh Gazza? must be a unique kind

ok for me firstly have you another pic dave maybe trying to show the skin quality etc... as it's not the best pic in the world. (lmfao i must have took it then).

alrighty then i'm guessing its a male with the slim body frame, pattern police would say the the peak on the head in the pattern is a little off central.

The sumi on Sanke normally starts on the back half of the koi and builds up forward as it matures.. but can't see alot of sumi coming through and at nisai would have expected to see a few speckles etc.
If this was to be a massive fish i would be hopeing to see a size of between 50 -60cm at Nisai but it still has time and probably being male it could get a fair size but its never going to reach 80+ maybe high 70's.

Like gazza i also like to see a little more white or shiroji in a sanke but beggars cant be a choosers its a cheap fish and if all the above were to be there it would 'nt be.

i would say to anybody looking to own this koi... if YOU like it and YOU think it will be a nice addition to YOUR pond. then Buy it. cause all said and done You need to look at it
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Old 15-01-2012, 06:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sorry for the poor spelling my spill chucker must of gone wring
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lmfao yeah i Guessed as much
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it looks like it has a lot of potential for growth so i reckon it will probably be around 83-86cm with 4-5 years growth on it , i think its one of those deceptive koi that look male when young but turn out to be female when older, pattern wise i dont think it will change much perhaps a couple more spots of sumi towards the front. i like it and for £100 i think it was a good buy!
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it looks like it has a lot of potential for growth so i reckon it will probably be around 83-86cm with 4-5 years growth on it , i think its one of those deceptive koi that look male when young but turn out to be female when older, pattern wise i dont think it will change much perhaps a couple more spots of sumi towards the front. i like it and for £100 i think it was a good buy!
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I think Dave is having a little game with us all this could be a old picture of a champion koi he's called it billy but I think it's female and might find that this a speical koi
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Me a champion Koi - in my dreams, the price is accurate as is the age in the photo.

I don't know the breeder but it's a Japanese fish that came from the Weston .

As to the sex, I don't know, never spawned or participated in spawning - it's been in the pond for nearly six years and only been out once for a quick topical when sliced it's head on the pond cover a few years back.



It's unassuming, doesn't do a lot, tends to hoover the bottom of the pond, still a very slim fish.

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Pulled Billy out today, so just under 6 years on from the first photo.

Just squeaked over the 80cm mark.

And Billy appears to be a she.

Hasn’t done much in terms of sumi development but there is still time.

For once I’m happy with my £100 investment, OK she has a few faults but Ive had six years of pleasure to date and hopefully a few more years to come.







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