talk of changes on the show scene! your thoughts please

pondy · 27-07-2011, 06:37 PM

There is thoughts fliying about wether substanciated or not that the BKKS may change some of the show categories about.

rumour has it that they may remove the classification Hikari Utsuri, which would be KIN SHOWA's, KIN KI UTSURI's etc purely because at most shows you only really see one or two and they never really have any comp.

it will be replaced with a Goshiki classification this is to run along side Koromo.
this would be because of the wider variety of Goshiki that seem to be coming into the Uk, i.e a metallic Goshiki called shockokuban (please excuse the spelling) caspers Goshiki at the Essex was deemed to be heading this way according to the judges.
me personally i think this would be a plus for the hobby, as the kin showa's and kin ki utsuri's would go into Hikari moyo and still compete.

what are your thoughts on this?

and how about this koi as a example of different a different Goshiki, how would you compare this against a Budo Goromo, sumi Goromo or even al Goromo?

if any one can make this pic bigger i would apprieciate it

Boo! · 27-07-2011, 07:31 PM

Firstly - love the idea of disbanding Hikari-Utsuri; i never thought there were ever enough koi in any one particular show to make this an interesting class as there was only ever one or two entrants, hence no competition. Never particularly see hikari-utsuri up for sale as dont think they are as popular as some of the other classifications - such as Goshiki; which in turn seems to be having a major swing in the popularity stakes and almost feels like the "in" koi at the moment.

Maybe if Hikari Utsuri becomes popular again - the bkks would think about adding the classification once more? For now Hikarimoyo seems the sensible (and only) choice.

The idea of splitting the koromo class is an interesting one - but i always thought that Shochikubai were metallic Goromo (Budo / Sumi / Ai) and never realised that Shochikubai were metallic Goshiki? In fact a quick search on the web seems to show that a lot of people seems confused with Shochikubai - with a lot of the answers google gave me referring to them being metallic goromo?

Personally i would fully support anything that tried to increase the popularity of koi shows in general - be it supporting the koi shower by adding extra classes according to growing popularity of a particular variety of koi, or else drumming up ideas for sections to increase gate numbers by brining joe public through the gates.

Interesting post pondy and one i will probably add to again when i have thought more!!

Wonder when the BKKS are going to introduce a benching course - especially in light of the new (albeit alledgedly) proposed show classification changes.

Lx

casper · 28-07-2011, 08:53 AM

I have to be honest here Pondy, that having looked at my OKAWA Goshiki again and again, I have no idea what the judges were on about.......I think I need to go to Specsavers.

pondy · 28-07-2011, 09:53 AM

it needed to be pointed out to me too mate, but if you look along the dorsal line you can see a lustre in the shine, its not quite mettallic, and didnt get marked down because of it but it is there....

maybe you could put a nice large pic up on here and some of the judges that i know(and yes you do cause i know you do) come on here may answer

it could have been alot worse JP's Kohaku has a white line either side of its dorsal, and they said that was trying to be a mettallic koi

Spoder · 28-07-2011, 10:34 AM

i have to agree with you there Casper as your Goshiki was one of my favourite koi at the show, over the weekend i found myself looking into your vat a fair amount of times looking at this koi and was puzzled as to why the judges had made this desicion. Its a cracking koi no matter what class it would fall into anyway.
As far as the show classifications changing would it not be easier all around if a Kin Ki Utsuri was placed into the Utsurimono class , a Kin Showa placed into the Showa class, etc so in effect each of the metallic versions are judged against koi with the same attributes apart from the metallicness? (is metallicness even a word?). Another way to look at it ,if there was not classes like Hikari utsuri then would it not lead to the eventual decline in us seeing at the shows some of the more unusual varietys as some people would not want to show these koi in a class against much more popular varieties like kujaku?

chaos · 28-07-2011, 11:26 AM

I can see a number of reasons why Hikari Utsuri wouldn't / shouldn't be placed directly into the utsurimono class, the first being the obvious, it's metallic and thus the colours don't always show in the same way they do on a non metallic and how do you compare a metallic skin to a non metallic skin.

Take the sumi on a metallic koi for example, it's very rare to see the same deep lacquer type sumi on these as you do on non metallic, so trying to weigh one against the other is difficult to do. Moving Hikari Utsuri into Hikari Moyo would seem to be a logical answer as at least that way all the fish in the class are metallic and feature a pattern.

I'm sure there are many discussions held at the JSC meetings regarding varieties and their show classifications to ensure the processes they have in place run as smoothly as possible and I'm also sure that if and when they decide to remove a class or add a class they will advise us all in plenty of time.

But here's one for you, Bekko - is this class still relevant given the low number of them we see or does this one need to go the way is being suggested of Hikari Utsuri?