[Gazfish]

Hi Bob,

"He is still eating OK"

Is this the same system that was you was having g high readings on ?

That looks very nasty and could go very very wrong very very fast so you have to be all over this one mate. You need to make sure you clean that wound right out and i mean removing everything and then topically treat with good stuff that works as otherwise you can be wasting your time.

You say you have the temperature up what is it at ?

Have you treated with CT and if so what dose ?

Not sure if this will help Bob but this is a basic overview of what i do:

This is my standard and basic treatment for something like this.

1. Get a carp mat or baby changing mat and lay a wet towel over it. If you don’t have a decent padded mat, just use a few layers of towels, or similar

2. Get ready what you will need and lay to hand alongside your mat. Take the tops off the bottles and lay cotton buds alongside the bottles without brushes. Tear off some sheets of kitchen roll and make sure everything is within reach.

3. What you need are: Betadine antiseptic liquid, usually sold in small bottles which have a brush in the top or a kind of cleaner Rocal or HP and some Friars Balsam, again sold in a jar, some cotton buds and some Kitchen roll. All available from Boots, or Chemists, and are all cheap. Duncan sells better treatments and a better sealer though.

4. Anesthetize the Koi. I always do this in a Koi bag, as it is easier and you use less anesthetic as well. Once the Koi is in the bag with some water, pour in the anesthetic and wind the end of the bag around, keeping lots of air in there. Just hold it in the pond roughly on its side and you will be able to clearly see what is going on with the Koi. You can do it in a bowl though.

5. Once it is anesthetized, just by lifting the Koi out of the bag and let it lay over your hand. As long as it makes no response from the head or tail for 10-seconds, it is ready.

6. Lay Koi on wet towel, cover head and tail with the wet towel.

7. Find the area you want to work on and wipe off any surface 'muck' with a bit of the kitchen towel. Don’t 'dab', wipe and get as much crap out as possible - throw this kitchen roll away somewhere then see how bad it looks and I expect that now you have wiped the muck away, the area will look better.

8. Gently pull away any scales that will come out, but those two really dodgy looking ones have to go. Any scales that are dead or decaying have to be removed and if you run a pair of tweezers over them and they feel rough this is an indication they are dead or decaying and need to be removed. Leaving any “bad” stuff in will only hinders the healing of the wound so make 100% sure you have cleaned it up before progressing.

9. Use the Betadine/Mercurochrome, Iodine on a cotton bud and get in under those scale pockets and paint the area in and around those scales - Let it dry.

10. Get a cotton bud with lots of Fryers balsam. Lock & Seal, MFR1 (for fins and mouth rote) on it and cover the area in it. To help it dry quicker, breathe on the area with hot wet breath.

11. You can also sprinkle Orahesive Powder onto the top coat of your sealer and then just blow off and let it dry to make sure the wound is fully sealed to give the fish the best chance.

12. Put Koi back into a bowl of pond water with an air stone in it and watch it come round.

[Shevyrabbit]

Originally Posted by Gazfish

Hi Bob,

"He is still eating OK"

Is this the same system that was you was having g high readings on ?

That looks very nasty and could go very very wrong very very fast so you have to be all over this one mate. You need to make sure you clean that wound right out and i mean removing everything and then topically treat with good stuff that works as otherwise you can be wasting your time.

You say you have the temperature up what is it at ?

Have you treated with CT and if so what dose ?

Not sure if this will help Bob but this is a basic overview of what i do:

This is my standard and basic treatment for something like this.

1. Get a carp mat or baby changing mat and lay a wet towel over it. If you don’t have a decent padded mat, just use a few layers of towels, or similar

2. Get ready what you will need and lay to hand alongside your mat. Take the tops off the bottles and lay cotton buds alongside the bottles without brushes. Tear off some sheets of kitchen roll and make sure everything is within reach.

3. What you need are: Betadine antiseptic liquid, usually sold in small bottles which have a brush in the top or a kind of cleaner Rocal or HP and some Friars Balsam, again sold in a jar, some cotton buds and some Kitchen roll. All available from Boots, or Chemists, and are all cheap. Duncan sells better treatments and a better sealer though.

4. Anesthetize the Koi. I always do this in a Koi bag, as it is easier and you use less anesthetic as well. Once the Koi is in the bag with some water, pour in the anesthetic and wind the end of the bag around, keeping lots of air in there. Just hold it in the pond roughly on its side and you will be able to clearly see what is going on with the Koi. You can do it in a bowl though.

5. Once it is anesthetized, just by lifting the Koi out of the bag and let it lay over your hand. As long as it makes no response from the head or tail for 10-seconds, it is ready.

6. Lay Koi on wet towel, cover head and tail with the wet towel.

7. Find the area you want to work on and wipe off any surface 'muck' with a bit of the kitchen towel. Don’t 'dab', wipe and get as much crap out as possible - throw this kitchen roll away somewhere then see how bad it looks and I expect that now you have wiped the muck away, the area will look better.

8. Gently pull away any scales that will come out, but those two really dodgy looking ones have to go. Any scales that are dead or decaying have to be removed and if you run a pair of tweezers over them and they feel rough this is an indication they are dead or decaying and need to be removed. Leaving any “bad” stuff in will only hinders the healing of the wound so make 100% sure you have cleaned it up before progressing.

9. Use the Betadine/Mercurochrome, Iodine on a cotton bud and get in under those scale pockets and paint the area in and around those scales - Let it dry.

10. Get a cotton bud with lots of Fryers balsam. Lock & Seal, MFR1 (for fins and mouth rote) on it and cover the area in it. To help it dry quicker, breathe on the area with hot wet breath.

11. You can also sprinkle Orahesive Powder onto the top coat of your sealer and then just blow off and let it dry to make sure the wound is fully sealed to give the fish the best chance.

12. Put Koi back into a bowl of pond water with an air stone in it and watch it come round.

Thanks Gaz
for the procedure did it this morning but did'nt remove any scales but gave it a good clean but think I should of put the powder on last but read in Duncans book page 50 paragraph 4 that said to put the powder before the top sealer so was a bit confused or maybe read it wrong? and the yellow ish scab has come off but the sore is more white than red. As for the tank cleaning every other day and less feed and all the testing bang on and the Ph 7.1 and Tds 150 amm 0.04 kh 35.8ppm Gh 107.4 nitrite 0.02 nitrate 0.00 temp 22c and he is fighting for the food.

Shevy

Shevy

[Gazfish]

Hi Bob,

You will need to keep that water spot on and be very careful with the food as if your ammonia starts to rise imagine how that nasty wound would feel stinging i would imagine.

I would suggest you may need to treat with some CT to reduce the bacterial count and give the wound some help. When treating a would like this once you've cleaned it all up you can add your topical mine would be Mercurochrome and then add some powder on this and blow it off then let it dry and on with the Lock & Seal job done. I would then once the fish is swimming around treat with some CT as this not only reduces the bacteria count but helps the fish with the wound.

Have you treated the pond with anything and can you go higher with the heat ?

[Shevyrabbit]

Originally Posted by Gazfish

Hi Bob,

You will need to keep that water spot on and be very careful with the food as if your ammonia starts to rise imagine how that nasty wound would feel stinging i would imagine.

I would suggest you may need to treat with some CT to reduce the bacterial count and give the wound some help. When treating a would like this once you've cleaned it all up you can add your topical mine would be Mercurochrome and then add some powder on this and blow it off then let it dry and on with the Lock & Seal job done. I would then once the fish is swimming around treat with some CT as this not only reduces the bacteria count but helps the fish with the wound.

Have you treated the pond with anything and can you go higher with the heat ?

Hi Gaz
He is the tank should I treat all that are in the tank with ct? I did that gaz but it dryed yellow then after 2 hours it came off like a scab. shall I do this daily?
Must admit it looks more white than red now. and yes pushing the heat up daily what Temp should I aim for ? and if I have to ct the Tank is 450 gals how much 4gm or 5gm for 3 Days as per Duncan's book?

Thanks
Shevy

[Gazfish]

Hi Bob,

If its not looking red and angry then this could be a good thing fingers crossed.

Yes if you need to treat this fish then you will have to treat the tank so all the fish.

CT can be used at differing doses and is PH dependent so lower the PH the smaller the dose but the 1gm per 100gls is the standard dose so yours will be 4.5gm.

For a sealer to work it has to stay on and it is important that you let anything you treat with dry off properly before adding the next one or returning the fish back to the water.

[Shevyrabbit]

Originally Posted by Gazfish

Hi Bob,

If its not looking red and angry then this could be a good thing fingers crossed.

Yes if you need to treat this fish then you will have to treat the tank so all the fish.

CT can be used at differing doses and is PH dependent so lower the PH the smaller the dose but the 1gm per 100gls is the standard dose so yours will be 4.5gm.

For a sealer to work it has to stay on and it is important that you let anything you treat with dry off properly before adding the next one or returning the fish back to the water.

HI Gaz
I wasn't happy with the yellow scab coming off yesterday so had a look this morning and decided to do it again but with out the powder. It was a lot easier this time as I knew I had lots of time and took some pictures. It still looks nasty but clean I wish I had seen this a bit earlier. After sorting him out I kept an eye on him and the yellow ish patch is still there which I know now is the sealer trying to cover the ulcer so its been covered for about 9 hours so hope this will help and will do it again saturday. As for the CT put in 3gm last night and 3gm today and will do the last 3gm tomorrow and before you ask the uv is off

Thanks for your help

Shevy