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Koi Health, Disease and Medication ForumPost here about any Koi health problems and water quality problems you may have.
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At the time i did this i also removed three more shimmis from this koi as well as two from a chagoi and one from a kohaku, both the chag and the kohaku had no problems at all , on the chag now is a small area that is slightly darker but i am not worried about it as the kohaku had a similar dark area and over the last 6 or so weeks it has just disappeared so i am confident that given a little more time the chags dark area will disappear. would i remove a shimmi again ? it depends on how invasive i would have to be to remove it, if it was a shallow shimmi just kind of resting in the top layers of the scale then yes i would , any deeper than that then no, at the end of the day its only done for our benefit ,not the benefit of the fish. i am sure there could be a huge debate with people that think its ok to do this and people that are opposed and think that it is unethical. but that was not the intention of this post, a lot of people treat their koi without even having a qt or hospital tank to allow them to recover in .i just wanted to show how with TLC , heat , a bit of salt and some chloromine t how well and more over how quickly a koi could heal. wether or not the shimmi`s will return , i have no idea but if they do i will cross that bridge when i come to it.
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It’s always an interesting debate on whether we should or shouldn’t carry out cosmetic surgery on our fish. There are many many fish out there that do have a shimmie here or there and some secondary hi on the gill or somewhere and they are healthy but for some people this would/could be a demerit or something they would like to remove to make the fish look better and I have no problem with this and have done it myself.
Now before we think this is something we do be under no illusion this does go on in Japan and any countries where fish are imported and kept........trust me it happens and there are even people out in Japan that go round doing it for a living
Just think if you’ve spend a few ££ on a fish and it gets a little shimmie or secondary hi and you know it’s something you can remove would you remove it or sell on the fish if it bugs you that much??
If the fish was of show quality or bought with the intention of showing then yes,
i would advocate the removal of a shimmie if developed in my water.But if other fish developed shimmies in the same water no, i would look to improve water quality to parameters where shimmies do not develop.
In water quality including water chemistry it has been linked to shimmie development from Manky Sanke's web pages
"It is difficult to prove but there is ample anecdotal evidence to say that skin quality and growth are improved in soft water. Also, if there is any genetic predisposition to shimmies in the Koi’s blood-line then hard water will encourage them to appear. That is not to say that hard water will cause shimmies to spontaneously appear but it will increase the likelihood if the tendency is already present."
could i ask, on what authority do you think manky sanky has to be able to make a statement that shimmies come from bad water?
do you believe all of what he says?
and yes i know syd very well, this is why i can ask these questions
Pondy,
Syd,as well as many koi "officionado's"has his own opinons on what causes shimmi's.From what i have observed and read in my experience i think water hardness plays a part as do many other factors. If i knew what the cause and cure for shimmi's were, I'd be a millionaire! There is a good discussion on the subject here.
Pondy,
Syd,as well as many koi "officionado's"has his own opinons on what causes shimmi's.From what i have observed and read in my experience i think water hardness plays a part as do many other factors. If i knew what the cause and cure for shimmi's were, I'd be a millionaire! There is a good discussion on the subject here.
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