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Old 11-08-2011, 09:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default More than a slight leak!

Popped in for Tea at around 8pm and then went back out to play with the fish half hour later.

Humm there was a good 18" of water missing from the main pond.

Filter room was a trifle noisey with pumps groaning away.

Culprit was a 4" push fit joint that had blown apart on one of the shower feeds, doesn't take long to drop a few gallons at 33,000l/hr...

Refilling now; will take a while, with the RO maxed out at 50 gallons an hour it will be tomorrow afternoon before it is up to minimum levels..

Then its a question of seeing what collateral there is pump wise..

Bit damp in the neighbours garden that copped most of the water!!

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omg sorry to hear this dave, hope its all ok come tomo. this has happened to me before so it prob happens to us all. are your filters still able to run ok or is this a no no till it tops up.
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Hi Mark

The filters will be off line but this will not be an issue for a day, I'll see where the ammonia is in the morning but as long as the pH stays where it is then there's plenty of headroom.

Biggest problem will be if Ive screwed the pressure pump on the drum, just knew I should have added the a low level cut out!

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Hopefully there's no permanent damage to equipment and fish.


Not by any means as a criticism in this instance as accidents happen to us all.

(I once left the sump drain pump running, came back in an hour when the water level had dropped a couple of feet and I thought I'd a massive leak!)

Just some general information to anyone reading this who is new to pond building using domestic plumbing equipment as many koi keepers do, about "push fit" connectors.

I've always extolled the virtues of push fit one inch or as I mostly use one and a half inch polypipe connectors, as with an "open ended" system there's little pressure on the walls of the pipe work with the average size pump.

Polypipe and the fittings are so much cheaper (and I mean really cheap from a plumber's merchants not B&Q) than pressure pipe and it also allows you to easily change things around, or have "several goes" at getting it right.

But the pipes are only kept in place by the pressure of the connector on the pipe through an "O" ring. I've always adopted a "belt and braces" approach to any key connections. I simply wrap about a dozen turns of insulation tape round the connectors and the first inch of pipe, just in case. If you’re using black pipe and black tape it doesn't even notice.
Vibration over a period of time may cause the connectors to creep or if they aren't held in place by brackets if there are any other than short lengths.

You have to ensure the pipes are cut exactly at right-angles and the outside edges of the end of the pipe are chamfered so that the pipe fits fully home and there's no chance of part of the "O" ring being damaged, or partly dislodged from the groove in which it sits. I run some wet n' dry glasspaper paper round (not along) the last inch of the pipe to rough it up a bit for the "O" ring to get a better purchase.

I always wet the connector before attempting to connect the joint.

I also only use ninety degree "sweep bends" or 30 degree "sweep bends” (other than straight connectors), as these sort of bends don't reduce the flow rate as much as would a right-angled bend.
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Blimey Dave! Close call or what!!!

Imagine if you had decided to settle down for the night and stay indoors, rather than back out to play with the fish (i do that too btw )

I know you probably feel slightly cheesed off and concerned about the rest of the collateral yet to rear it's ugly head; but i suppose if we have to look on the bright side - things could have been so much worse if you had never popped back out,,,

neighbours chickens are probably enjoying their little paddle!

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Hi Dave really glad you came out to play a farmer would have love all that water. i hope everything works out ok.
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Thanks Guys

Well it's full again and the fish are still swimming!!

And the pumps all fired nicely Only time will tell how much extra wear I have put on the bearings..

The joint that failed slipped back in rather to easily and there's no way I am gonna risk another failure so I will drill all the push fit joints and put in a couple of self tapping screws on each.

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Gld everything all worked out ok for you mate
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