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Old 11-12-2008, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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me and my better half sandra have,

4 showas, 1 about 15cm, 2 about 25cm, and 1 about 40cm.

2 sankes 1 about 40cm , and 1 tancho about 25cm.

1 sushi about 25cm.

1 aka bekko about 55cm

1 doitsu shiro bekko about 30 cm,

2 yamabuki ogons 1 about 50cm and 1 about 30cm,

3 yamatonishikis all between 25-35 cm

2 shiro utsuri 1 about 20cm and one baby

1 beni kumonryu about 50cm

1 kumonryu about 20cm

1 kohaku about 30cm

1 koromo about 25cm

1kujaku about 40cm

1 lemon hariwake about 20cm

2 purachinas about 15cm

2 ochibas 1 about 20cm 1 about 50cm

5 mixed babys about 10cm
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3 kumonryu
2 sanke
2 shiro
1 kohaku
1 showa
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1 Kuchibeni Gin Rin Kohaku
1 Show Class sandan ( 3 step ) Kohaku with certificate
1 True Tategoi Inazuma ( lightening ) Kohaku with certificate
1 True Tategoi sandan (3 step ) Kohaku with certificate

1 Tancho Kohaku

2 Gin Rin Sanke
1 Doitsu Sanke
1 Aka ( red ) Sanke very high class
1 Gin Rin Sanke almost show class

1 Kage Showa very high class

1 True Tategoi Goshiki with certificate

1 Show Class Purachina

1 red Kujaku
1 orange Kujaku ( total rubbish ! want rid ! )

1 Orenji Ogon
1 Yamabuki Ogon

1 Kumonryu ( deliberately looks like Karusugoi,
all black with just white fin tips) stunning !

1 Doitsu Matsuba

1 Shiro Bekko

1 Ochiba Shigure show class ( proper brown head and pattern, really DOES look like autumn leaves on the water ! )

1 Chagoi

1 Shiro Utsuri with certificate.......... ..growing in Japan
1 Yamabuki Ogon with certificate....... growing in Japan

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why is the orange Kujaku total rubbish? and how big?

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why is the orange Kujaku total rubbish? and how big?

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Good morning Dan, when I bought it, thought it was stunning !
was very unusual ..... at nisai (2yrs )
clean orange head and fins, and no orange whatsoever on the body,
the body was just like a shiro matsuba, pure snow white with sumi pine-cone reticulated scales.
NOW the sumi scales are smudged and a mess and there is underlying orange coming through too. The body is far too dark now. its about 20 inches long.

For me at least, I think one of the most difficult things to get right with koi is the sumi ( black )
Hard water should develop sumi.
I have very soft water, so should be easy ! yet with this kujaku and 2 sanke, the sumi has just kept coming and coming.
I think it's more to do with poor bloodlines than water hardness / softness.
gf likes it, but then she knows naff all about koi, as to how patterns should look !
I think the easiest way, but expensive, is to only buy Matsuba and Kujaku, at least sansai ( 3 yrs ) to have a better idea as to how they will finish up.
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I did not realise soft/hard water had any effect,amazing how much there is to learn.
Well this is my progress on my l shapped pond,(

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z.../july08008.jpg )

I hope you can imagine the finished idea.

Have you any pictures of the fish you want rid of as any additions to my pond would be nice once its completed to get me going.

Cheers Dan.
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How deep are you digging down ?
how high will the water be compared to the conservatory brickwork ?
how far away from the conservatory wall ?

Pleased to see the nexus there !!! you'll NEVER regret that !

is the bottom drain going to be aerated ?
my biggest regret is not having aerated bottom drains, I asked for them, but the pond builders said not necessary, not knowing any better at the time I gave in to them.
Alternative Aquatics do a replacement aerated cover £80,
I intend replacing both of mine 1 day, BUT it will be a huge job to re-house all the koi in temp vats whilst the pond is emptied,
then a big question mark is will we be able to thread the air tubes through the 4 inch pipes ? more likely we will have to chisel channels in the base and walls then re-render and fibreglass £ouch !
An aerated drain dramatically increases the suction of the bottom drain, keeping the pond base spotless !!! I would NEVER do a pond without now !!!

Not a clue about how to put pictures on here, or anywhere on pc / internet / e-mails etc etc. I'm thinking of enroling on a course to learn, as the 2 koi I have growing in Japan, I have agreed with the breeder in Japan via the uk dealer / importer to photograph and do reports as to their development in uk water, so will have to learn, they will be in my pond in spring '09. it was a condition of buying them at a cheaper price !
presently they are inside at 22C in Japan, on 5 feeds per day,looked after by the Japanese breeder, so should be growing nicely !
Remind me again where you live.
Where is your Mrs anyway ? she's gone very quiet ! has she started her kitchen yet ? or has she seen sense and realised the koi pond is more important ???
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1 Kawakami Showa 18 inch (female)
1 Ogata Showa 7 inch
1 Ogata Asagi 7 inch
2 Ogata Kohaku 8 inch
1 Ogata Sanke 8 inch awaiting its sumi to come through
1 Ogata Tancho Sanke 7 inch
1 Ogata Sumi Goromo 8 inch
1 Ogata Shiro Utsuri 9 inch
2 5 inch Ki Utsuri unknown breeder
1 Sanke of unknown breeder 12 inch (possibly female)
1 platnum ogon unknown breeder 20inch
1 gin rin-ish chagoi 18 inch not the best but really freindly also of unknown breeder

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I wont crash this thread I'll start a new one about my pond.
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